Blackmagic ATEM Mini video mixer with SHY 1080p cameras

Many producers are excited about Blackmagic’s ATEM Mini, but what’s the best way to use it with “shy” 1080p cameras?

The US$295 1080p Blackmagic ATEM Mini video mixer (“switcher”) is amazing for the price, especially with its 10-bit 4:2:2 processing, DVE and linear keyers (luma or chroma). The ATEM MINI supports PNG with alpha channel for translucent graphics and lower thirds. It’s great that the ATME MINI has a built-in scaler to work ideally whether your 1080HD cameras output a pure progressive video signal at the native framerate… or even authentic 1080i interlaced video (sigh) if that’s what you have. However, with the current software/firmware, the ATEM Mini (or any other ATEM) sadly does not consider the existence of the plethora of “shy” 1080p cameras in an ideal way. Ahead, I’ll review what “shy” 1080p cameras are, how you’ll sacrifice picture quality with them and how you can resolve that, in case Blackmagic doesn’t address this important issue with a firmware/software update.

Link to my first ATEM Mini article

IBC2019: Blackmagic announces ATEM Mini video mixer (“switcher”) (September 2019)

Shy 1080p cameras

I define “shy” 1080p cameras as those which are completely capable of imaging true 1080p progressive video (and recording it at the desired native framerate), but (by design) are incapable of outputting the signal live over HDMI at the desired framerate, for example:

  • ≈23.976p
  • 24.000p exact
  • 25p
  • ≈29.97p

Those shy 1080p cameras instead send their live signal as 1080i (fake interlaced), at the corresponding field rate. For example ≈23.976p is output as ≈59.94i using pulldown (2:3 pulldown, aka 3:2 pulldown), while 25p is output as 50i (25PsF) and ≈29.97p is output as ≈29.97PsF (≈59.94i) using a 2:2 pulldown, with the same spatial content segmented in each fake field.

How do shy cameras hurt our picture quality?

Shy cameras deceive a connected device into believing that the signal is truly interlaced, which it’s not. As a result, the ATEM Mini is forced to de-interlace the signal, which degrades the picture quality unjustifiably. It’s like putting your pristine progressive video signal through a coffee grinder.

2x framerate 1080p cameras

Shy cameras (covered above and ahead in this article) are different from those 1080p cameras which double the framerate of 25p and ≈29.97p and output them as 50p and ≈59.94p. Those are much easier to deal with: Just set the shutter angle (or shutter speed) for the true desired framerate and broadcast that way in your ATEM Mini’s setting. In other words, if you want your shutter to be 180 degrees, set it at 180 degrees. If your camera doesn’t offer shutter angle but only shutter speed, set it for 1/50 for 25p or ≈1/60 for ≈29.97p.

Why we should avoid webcasting higher framerates like 50p and 59.94p

The majority of smartphones and tablets on the market can display a maximum of 30 frames per second on their internal screen. If you produce and web broadcast a higher framerate (which is indeed desired for a sports channel), your cadence will be perceived to be quite different on large HDTV sets versus on most smartphones and tablets. If you want a consistent cadence across all screens, choose one of these framerates:

  • ≈23.976p in your cameras and in your broadcast settings, and use a 180 degree shutter, i.e. about 1/48
  • 24p in your cameras and in your broadcasting settings, and use a 180 degree shutter, i.e. about 1/48
  • 25p in your cameras and in your broadcasting settings, and use a 180 degree shutter, i.e. about 1/50
  • ≈29.97p in your cameras and in your broadcasting settings, and use a 180 degree shutter, i.e. about 1/60

If you are using 720p-only cameras (which typically have a framerate of 50p or ≈59.94p), but would like to broadcast half of that (25p or ≈29.97p) for the reasons explained above, set the shutter for the corresponding desired broadcast framerate. Set the ATEM Mini for 25p or ≈29.97p and it will simply skip half of the incoming frames.

What should Blackmagic do (in software/firmware) to alleviate this situation with all ATEMs in software/firmware

Blackmagic, please add this pulldown menu for each input in ATEM software:

  • Auto (default position, which will behave as it does currently)
  • Treat 1080i source as PsF (to skip de-interlacing)
  • Treat 1080i source as Telecine (with 2:3 pulldown, to reverse telecine)

I realize that the third position requires the hardware to support reverse telecine. If a specific ATEM model doesn’t support reverse telecine from a 2:3 pulldown, then don’t include the third option or grey it out with that model.

The rest of this article is for producers, in case Blackmagic does not pay attention to my suggestion, but I hope Blackmagic will do so.

What you can and should do in the meantime

The best thing you can do is to have (or purchase) completely “outgoing” 1080p cameras. When I say “outgoing”, I mean cameras that can output the desired progressive framerate natively, without being disguised at 1080i interlaced.

If your 1080p cameras are “outgoing” in a specific framerate only

Many Sony 1080p cameras are “shy” in 25p and ≈29.97p (sadly still rounded to “30p” by JVC and Sony in some cameras) modes, but “outgoing” in ≈23.976p (sadly still rounded to “24p” by JVC and Sony in many cameras) mode. If your 1080p cameras are “outgoing” in a specific framerate (i.e. in ≈23.976p), consider setting your camera to shoot in this mode, and set the Blackmagic ATEM MINI (or other model) to output at the same framerate (which Blackmagic rounds to “≈23.98p” in the menu). That way you will avoid unnecessary and inappropriate de-interlacing and also avoid retiming the framerate.

If your cameras are unfortunately SHY in all framerates

The following remedies will convert the shy signal from your shy camera to a native progressive signal at the native framerate, to avoid deceiving the ATEM MINI or other mixer. This only makes financial sense if your cameras cost much more than the total price devices indicated below, since otherwise, you could simply replace your current cameras for the same price as the devices. This requires one of the below for each of your shy 1080p cameras.

Method A, if still available when you read this

The first item is now discontinued, but still available via eBay as I publish this article:


  • Atomos Connect H2S (battery version shown above, reviewed in 2012), converts the signal from your shy camera’s HDMI output to SDI (BNC) and (after proper adjustment) delivers it as the native progressive signal at the desired framerate. It includes the battery and AC charger. The Atomos Connect-AC (only) model works only with 25p and ≈29.97p (no ≈23.976p or 24p). The battery version is better if you need it to work with any framerate including ≈23.976p or 24p.
  • Blackmagic Micro Converter SDI to HDMI (US$45, AmazonB&H)
  • Appropriate HDMI cable for your camera (depending upon the size of HDMI connector your shy camera has)
  • Appropriate SDI cable, which may be very long, in case your camera is far away from the ATEM

Method B, in case the above is no longer available when you read this

  • Atomos Connect Convert Scale | HDMI to SDI (shown above) converts the signal from your shy camera’s HDMI output to SDI (BNC) and (after proper adjustment) delivers it as the native progressive signal at the desired framerate (US$248, AmazonB&H)
  • Blackmagic Micro Converter SDI to HDMI with power supply (US$59, AmazonB&H)
  • Appropriate HDMI cable for your camera (depending upon the size of HDMI connector your shy camera has)
  • Appropriate SDI cable, which may be very long, in case your camera is far away from the ATEM Mini (US$295, B&H)


The ATEM Mini is extremely powerful for US$295 (B&H). I hope this article helped both producers and Blackmagic understand the situation of shy 1080p cameras. The lowest cost solution is for Blackmagic to add the suggested feature in software/firmware, but I have added the other solutions in case Blackmagic doesn’t do that. If you are interested in purchasing an ATEM Mini but are concerned about it lowering the quality of your shy 1080p cameras, please encourage your Blackmagic representative or dealer to read this article and add the feature. Of course, I’ll publish a new article if and when that happens.

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