Who can fix the folder shuffle? 25
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Jeremy W

Hmm, have you looked at NeoFinder lately? Could it be made to help perhaps? The devs are active.

Wallard

This is the problem with the analog jockeys.

Stop treating digital like tape and throwing everything into an NLE, like it’s the log and capture days.

Just like you don’tmess with the control track on a tape, you mess with the camera media. Just clone it from the card or drive into an archive setup.

Then use the various tools available to sort, arrange and proxy the media as you need it and then ingest it into the NLE.

Kyno is the right idea, but too bad there isn’t a more modern competitor.

In all the years of using purely digital workflows, why is editorial still the least evolved but the most dramatic? Maybe that’s why so many of them are being replaced by AI.

Look at the tools and practices from the other depts like DIT, VFX and color for ideas.

Brian Drysdale

Your article created a discussion on the Lightworks forum, which appears to indicate that the Lightworks NLE doesn’t suffer from the issue described.

https://forum.lwks.com/threads/folder-shuffle-with-camera-folders.252776/#post-288372

Brian Drysdale

I understand what you mean, although there continues to be professional editors and filmmakers who use Lightworks for their editing. Some users also have other software as part of their workflow, but prefer Lightworks for their cutting. Professional editors are reluctant to change because of their muscle memory – key shortcuts, menus etc., so when you fall behind it’s difficult to pick up a lost market.

Just an update, even though you can use Lightworks with the keyboard (most do or just drag and drop), there is a project underway to produce the Lightworks console again. It’s planned to have two versions, both much cheaper than the original, which was manufactured with an injection mould, so was expensive to produce only in batches. The mould got lost, but the new methods work better for batch production at lower cost.

Brian Drysdale

There isn’t currently a mailing list, just a thread on the Lightworks forum for feedback and updates: https://forum.lwks.com/threads/the-new-lightworks-console-project.251395/

Lachezar Lazarov

Hello. I think the idea is not good and I will list several reasons. First – you burden the NLE with additional load on the processor and system. Second – You make the video editor dependent on AI, Third – in my opinion this is not necessary since there are similar filters and search engines in the content manager browser in some professional video editors like Lightworks. Fourth – in my opinion you are doing hidden or subliminal advertising for a content organizer and you have a personal interest in this. So that you do not wonder who is writing to you, I will specify that I have been a professional video editor for 40 years and I work with 4 professional editors at the same time, I mainly work with content from many cameras for documentaries, etc. Looking at your photo, you are younger than me and I think that your statement about Lightwotks is incomplete and arrogant, given that you have no professional experience or you have but not enough with this editor, it is better to refrain from comments about things you do not understand. Greetings.

Lachezar Lazarov

Hello. Thanks for the quick response. If you had the necessary professional experience with Lightworks, we could have had a constructive conversation and you could have told me the advantages of other NLEs over Lightworks, which I have also been working with for many years. I cannot understand where such great self-confidence comes from and why you write so negatively about something that you have no recent real practical experience with. What does market share matter to you as a video editor? There are many high-quality products with a small market share, this is not a factor for evaluation. In my opinion, you have believed and deceived yourself that you are some kind of factor in this commercial niche, but that is your problem. I would not have reacted like this if you had written true things, even negative ones. At the moment, I am not defending Lightworks, I am defending the truth. I am glad that my colleague shared your post so that I could assess your level. My personal opinion is that a professional has nothing to learn from you and your posts. I am extremely disappointed in you as a colleague, creator and artist. This opinion of mine will be shared wherever requested. You should always be careful what you write, because you are harming a company and its products. Best regards.

Oliver Peters

Market share of an NLE is important for a freelance editor, if 1) you are expected to use a tool that your client approves, and 2) you have to turn over compatible project files as part of the job. In some markets, that’s Avid Media Composer. In others, it’s Adobe Premiere Pro. I’m primarily talking about the US, Canada, and Europe.

Oliver Peters

There are plenty of ways to handle this. Many cameras use a terrible system for folders, which is definitely not NAS or post friendly. DIT software adds even more unnecessary files.

My normal workflow is this: 1) Copy the DIT drives or camera cards to a cheap USB drive as is and park that on the shelf for safety. No changes to that structure. 2) Copy that same media to your NAS or working edit hard drive. Trash ALL of the junk files. Move the actual video and audio clips into edit-friendly folders. 3) Rename files if needed. 4) Transcode files if needed – usually to ProRes.

These are now ready to import into your NLE and edit with. When done, back up all of the project with this same media organization onto a separate archive drive for safe-keeping. Yes, it’s a bit of extra work, however, you are in total control of the process without trusting a piece of software to do this for you.

Oliver Peters

Actually, I do work in a shared environment with multiple editors. The organized and sometimes renamed/transcoded media becomes THE camera original. The key in renaming is to name in such a way that you can find your way back to the original, if you had to. But the point is that we almost NEVER have to, because it’s not the camera original any longer.

The reason renaming correctly is often critical is because so many consumer camera formats are used these days (like iPhones), which do not create unique file names. As you know, lack of unique files names will burn you – especially in something like a Resolve grading roundtrip.

I do have the advantage that I’m the one setting that up for everyone else. We do have certain guidelines that are enforced, even when someone else is doing that. It’s been working fine for a decade 🙂

MC Finney

I’ve continued to use Kyno over the years as well, and suddenly yesterday it just stopped opening – giving me an error message. I’ve contacted their support email in hopes there’s something that can be done – your note about the interaction at NAB is encouraging!

Iain Anderson

I’m a total heathen on this. Lumix cameras don’t make any separate metadata files and the folder structure isn’t important at all, so I just copy the movs. FCP’s Camera Archive is a great solution if you do need to maintain the full original structure though.

Daniel

It’s a valid complaint.

Myself I just drag and drop the “CLIP” folder from the Finder into the Premiere project (in your Sony XDCAM example.) Then I rename the newly created CLIP bin to ACAM_001.

This solves another pet peeve of mine which is having to drill down into multiple nested bins to finally find the clips inside the Premiere project, which your Kyno example would require. (ACAM_001 / XDCAM / CLIP / *.MXF)

The reason offloaders NEED to preserve all the camera metadata files and folders is so the camera manufacturer’s own software tools will work correctly with the footage in post. In the Sony example, many newer Sony cameras allow for additional stabilization of video clips using camera gyro data with the Sony Catalyst Browse app. But Catalyst Browse will NOT recognize a lonely folder full of MXF or MP4 files as Sony footage, unless it has all the metadata files and folders in exactly the right place.

Camera company tools like Sony Catalyst Browse, Canon XF Utility, etc are also very useful for editors to understand the correct Log color LUTs to be using when shoots come back with insufficient camera notes (basically the default in documentary.) In the case of Sony this correct LUT data is also often written into the XML metadata sidecar files which I can read in a text editor – but not if the XML files are not preserved by the offloader! SAVE EVERYTHING YALL.

Once I worked on an Avid job which used a Nablet plugin to ingest Sony footage into preserving all the camera metadata within Avid that its own importer would not. I recall when pointed at an XDCAM folder it only ingested the video clips into Avid and no other metadata junk files. Perhaps there is an opportunity here for plugin developers to scratch this itch for cleaner media ingest.

By the way on that job I actually wrote an Automator script to allow for bulk renaming Sony footage (to create unique filenames for A7s type files – C001.MP4) while correctly updating the Sony metadata files so that the renamed footage will still open correctly in Catalyst Browse, Nablet plugin etc. Sony Catalyst Browse can rename clips like this one at a time, but not in bulk. Scratching that itch felt good!

Oliver Peters

It’s a good point about the camera manufacturers designing something to work with their own software. Nothing like everyone being on the same page :/ In my experience, the only camera company that’s gotten it right so far has been ARRI when the Alexa was introduced. Those files are typically a joy to work with.

Oliver Peters

Also BetterRename (Mac App Store) is a great renaming tool. We also use DiskCatalogMaker to catalogue all of out camera BU drives and project archive drives. Makes it easy to find things over a many-years timeframe.

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